the SF cops appear to only hassle the streetwalkers, and even seem to stop
by the massage parlors to make sure they are not being hassled by the
vietnamese gangs... i will assume that you are not a cop, and if you are,
then this information will not be interesting because it is in SF proper.

best services around here are tenderloin massage parlors. the ones closest
to the big hotels are best, the further ones often have older women. most
women viet, but also HK, some lao, thai, etc..

my recommendation is Springtime, i think its on o'farrel close to union
square, yellow sign. the deal there is the same as every other place,..
buzz the buzzer, someone asks "you want massage?" you say yes and they let
you in.

when you walk in, there is one girl standing there, they take turns. dont
choose her. just sit down and ask who else is there. they may try to say
no-one else is there,.. at this point, all the other girls are hiding behind
a small curtain next to the front entrance. you can see them there giggling
if you look.

anyway, if you are stubborn and do not move... the other girls will come
out and you can sit and check them out as long as you like. i think it is
even ok to sit there for an hour to wait for the other girls that come out.

anyway,... in case you are wondering... the guys working there are just
flunkies,.. the places are all owned by vietnamese women, who you never see
because they'd get hassled by the vietnamese gangs if the gangs knew.

SO,... once you have chosen the chick of your dreams,.. it will be like
$35-45 for a "massage". this money goes to the house, and you have to sign
in. have a fake name and address ready. if you forget to invent one, copy
the one of the guy before you, nobody cares.

then you take a shower and the girl comes back after a while.

NOW,.. you negotiate the tip. this will be anywhere from $80 to $200 for
"full service". it will cost extra if you want to kiss her, but it is
possible if she likes you.

the girl keeps the entire tip.

full service means a suck and a fuck, and you get to come once.

of course, the prettier, younger girls will ask for more, ... and if you
make the mistake of wearing a swiss watch and carrying a cellular phone,
they will charge more. if you look poor they will let you get away with
less,..

these are astute women when it comes to money.

and very nice as well. they will bring you tea and show you pictures their
big house in vietnam they bought with their money, etc... these women can
make $70k to $200k a year, so dont think you are a bigshot. be nice to them
and it will come back to you.

anyway, thats my story. havent been there in a while... but its the best
choice i've found.

OTHER CHOICES:

streetwalkers are not safe, either for your health or legal standing,.. and
are ugly anyway. escort services are generally not good because you cant
see the girl first.

massage parlors let you choose,.. and you can always walk out if you dont
like what you see.

i dont know where to find attractive caucasian women in this area. probably
have to go with an escort service, and it will probably be expensive and
hard to choose the one you like. my only advice is to be specific when you
ask on the phone ("thin, blonde, tall, big coconuts" or whatever your thing
is), and dont feel guilty to say "this is not what i asked for" and close
the door when she arrives 50 pounds too heavy.

and i suggest this: western prostitutes treat customers like lepers,...
eastern ones will not. i am not talking about media images or stereotypes,
i am talking about personal experience. if you are treated poorly by a
caucasian hooker, dont for a second think it has a thing to do with you,...
its that way for everyone.

which is yet another reason to try both kinds. a masseuse i knew well (we
were friends, i wasn't a customer) always says that occasionally american
women would work in the massage parlor,.. and guys would try them out
because they were curious, but the girls would never get regular customers
and they wouldn't last long.

this is of course NOT a race difference but a cultural one,.. there are no
asian-american girls working in the massage parlors either.

anyway, good luck, be careful, and have a nice time.

(fyi, if you decide to drive around geary/o'farrell between union square
and van ness you will see where the streetwalkers are. this is interesting,
and you will occasionally see an attractive woman,... but my advice is to
steer clear of them, because most of them REALLY DO have a drug problem,
and there is a very good chance of getting caught by the cops and having
your car impounded if you stop and talk with them. a lot of the cops are
dykes and especially like to arrest men soliciting hookers. another note is
that when you are in the vicinity of polk street, all those women you see
are really men.)

my opinion...

really,.. be careful... and remember the big rule is that the SF cops dont
care about prostitution, they just dont want anything that will disturb the
tourists... which means that if its indoors, they wont touch it in a
million years. but on the street, you are playing with fire and will be
caught.

this is different in any other city in the area, where the cops actively
enforce it everywhere.


Date: Mon,  8 Apr 1996 00:48:37 UTC

NIAGARA MASSAGE  MOUNTAIN VIEW CALIFORNIA
WENT TO NIAGARA AND FOUND IT INTERESTING. THE FIRST TIME I CAME INTO A
HALL AND WAS TOLD TO COME BACK IN 30 MIN. I WAITED AT A LOCAL TACO BELL
NEXT DOOR AND WENT BACK. THIS TIME THEY LET ME IN. I THINK THEY USE THIS
AS A SCREENING TOOL BECAUSE WHEN I GOT BEHIND THE DOOR THERE WERE AT
LEAST 8 GIRLS WAITING. THEY HAD ME SIGN IN AND THEN GAVE ME A GOOD
LOOKING KOREAN GIRL CALLED MAY.WE WENT TO THE ROOM AND I PAID $40 AND
WENT TO TAKE A SHOWER. WHEN I GOT BACK SHE WAS WAITING AND I
REMOVED THE TOWEL AND DIDN'T PAY MUCH ATTENTION TO HIDE  MY SELF. sHE
ALSO DIDN'T SWEEM TO MIND EITHER. SHE GAVE ME A PRETTY GOOD MASSAGE FOR A
SHORT TIME AND I LET MY HANDS ROME A BIT. SHE TOLD ME THAT I WASN'T
SUPPOSE TO TOUCH BUT I TOLD HER I LIKE TO TOUCH AND WE DID SOME MIME
ABOUT WHAT I WANTED AND SHE ASKED ME IF I WAS POLICE AND I SAID NO WAY
AND PLACED HER HAND ON MY HARD SHAFT. SHE SMILED AND I GOT OUT A CONDOM
AND WE NEGOTIATED $100 FOR FULL SERVICE 1/2 AND 1/2 I TOOK MY TIME AND
SHE GAVE ME A GOOD BJ AND THEN WE GOT INTO IT WITH SEVERAL POSITIONS AND
SHE GAVE ME GOOD VAGINAL ACTION. I TOOK MY TIME AND IT WAS A GOOD TIME.
I DIDN'T FEEL RUSHED AND ENJOYED MYSELF. AFTER WE FINISHED SHE TOLD ME
HER NAME WAS NANCY. I THINK IT MIGHT BE ANAME THAT SORTS THE FIRST
TIMERS FROM THE REGULARS. THE SHOWERS AND ROOMS ARE NICE AND CLEAN. A
NICE TOUCH AFTER WE WERE FINISHED SHE HELPED ME ON WITH MY CLOTHES AND
ESCORTED ME OUT. WILL DEFINATLY GO BACK.  I THINK FROM THE QUICK LOOK I
HAD THAT THERE ARE MANY GOOD GIRLS TO CHOSE FROM  MOSTLY KOREAN.


Date: 31 Mar 1996 22:25:10 GMT

Go to Mountain View.  Sure scores in Visage, Niagara, MV Spa.  Korean
Girls in Niagara, Vietnamese in Visage and MV Spa.


Subject: San Francisco Massage
Date: Wed, 28 Feb 1996 15:46:35 UTC

I was recently in San Francisco and tried several of the massage parlors
downtown. This is in the area near the Mitchell brothers theater and other
sex related businesses (the Tenderloin I think). The parlors were a mixed
bag. Since I hate to be negative I'll just report on my favourite.

FUJI is the name and it has large sign out front even though the windows are
curtained and barred.  Here is the deal for those of you not familiar with
such places. You go up to the front gate/door and ring the bell. A women will
open the door and ask if you want a massage. Of course you say yes or they
will slam the door in your face. Usually the woman who meets you at the door
will want to be your massuese. If you are pushy and you see someone you like
better hanging out in the front lobby, you can request a different woman. The
one you blew off will be grumpy but the one you chose will be happy, and
after all she is the one you want to make happy. At the FUJI all the women I
saw appeared to be young (18-25) petite (5' or so), vietnamese and pretty (I
would say none worse than a 7, mostly 8s and one or two 9s). The woman of
your choice will take you to a room with a bathtub and a mattress with
mirrors around it (don't want to miss the view). Clean and comfortable but
not fancy. They will ask for a $40 house fee (they don't seem to go by time
as far as I can tell, some places charge by the hour or half hour, I prefer
not to have my eye on the clock). Then you have to sign in. I have no idea
why, must be a law or something. Feel free to make up a name and address.
They will then ask you to get comfortable and go off for a few minutes. First
you get a nice bath, they do all the work. They clean your privates and seem
to check you over pretty good. I  think this is nice, makes me feel like they
are very health concious. Then she dries you off and takes you to the bed.
She may ask if you want tea or a drink. I usually say yes. Lets me relax a
little. Then she will give you a good massage. I actually like massages
myself so I enjoy this a great deal. After getting you nice and loose she
will ask if you want anything more. I imagine you could say no and leave at
this point. At FUJI all the girls seem to offer full service for a $100 tip.
This seems to be a little less than the going rate in the area. They don't
seem to do anything kinky but they are pretty good at the basic sexual
activities (with a condom of course). Feel free to take your time ( I like
to) but let the woman know you are happy and taking your time on purpose. She
may feel she is not turning you on if you don't cum right away. In general I
found the women at the FUJI very nice and younger and cheaper than at nearby
places.  On more tip, go at off hours (2 in the afternoon on a weekday for
instance) they do get busy.

I hope your visit is as pleasent as mine!


Date: Tue, 12 Mar 1996 11:31:02 UTC

You asked me to re-send the report on San Francisco massage parlors.  This
is sort of a companion article to the earlier article on the Mitchell Bros.
 Here is the article:

Within easy walking distance of the Mitchell Brothers theater you can find
several fine oriental massage parlors.  Sophie's is one of the best.  When
you exit Mitchell Brothers, go to the corner of O'Farrell and Polk, and
head north on Polk one block until you reach Geary.  Turn left on Geary (to
the west) and on the right-hand (north) side of Geary - about a third of
the way up the block is Sophies.  Its right next to an adult bookstore.

Unlike most massage parlors in San Francisco you do not have to stand on
the street in plain view of your neighbors and friends waiting to get
"buzzed in" to the building.  Sophie's is on the second floor; the entrance
is just to the left of the adult bookstore.  You walk down a short, well
lit corridor to metal gate, ring the bell, and you will be buzzed in from
there (off the street.)  Ignore the panhandlers; don't encourage them.

When you reach the second floor, they may ask if you have been there
before.  You may also be asked who you saw before; particularly if you are
not recognized or you are not Asian.

When you enter the parlor, you will be asked to sign-in by a Vietnamese
gentlemen.  I would suggest using a pseudonym.  My favorite is Fred
Flinstone, although I sometimes use Randy Farang.

In the front lobby you will probably be approached by a girl.  You may get
the impression that she is the only one available.  This is almost always
untrue.  Proceed to the rear of the parlor where there is a second waiting
room.  As a general rule, the less attractive women are more aggressive,
and they intend to hang out in the front waiting room waiting to prey on
more gullible customers.

In the rear waiting room there are usually several girls lounging about
watching a giant screen T.V.  Unlike other parlors where one ethnic group
tends to dominate (e.g. Thais, Koreans, Vietnamese), the T.V. is usually
tuned to an English speaking station.  I guess this is a compromise since
Sophies has a real mix of girls: Thai, Vietnamese, Chinese, Hispanic,
Caucasian, etc.  Its also nice for the customer; particularly if you decide
to wait for the girl of your choice, unless, of course, you want to
practice your pasa Thai, etc., for your next trip to the magic kingdom.

There may also be girls back in the dressing room/kitchen just behind the
rear waiting room.  As a general rule, girls who have just finished with a
customer and the more attractive girls (these two categories seem to
over-lap for obvious reasons) will hang in the this area.  It seems to be a
professional courtesy intended to increase the odds for the less attractive
members of the sorority.   But it doesn't do much for the customer.  Go
back a take a peek if you don't like what you see in the waiting rooms.
Depending upon the time of day, etc., there are generally 4 to 12 girls in
the parlor.  The quality ranges from 4 to 9.

The better looking girls are often busy.   Indeed, they'll go from one
session to the next with a hardly a wait while the less attractive girls go
hours without a customer.  Hence, some of the more predatory practices of
the front waiting room.  Also, the less attractive girls sometimes, but not
always, do things that the more attractive girls would not even consider
doing.  And with some, there are definite attitude problems.

Once you are in the room, you pay $40 for the massage.  Extras are, of
course, extra.  Sophie's current line-up includes the following girls:

- Dora is one of the favorites; many regulars ask for her by name.  She is
young, cute Thai girl.  Terrific body.  If she is convinced you're not a
cop (less of a problem these days), she will ask for her tip up front -
$100.  Dora seems to have a set routine, and that routine seems to be
designed to get customers as hot as possible so that they come the moment
they are their inside Dora.  She strips, rubs oil across her breasts and
then rubs her body across your back.  When you're good and hard, she'll
turn you over, and rub her breasts across your front.  She'll handle your
penis, massaging it against her tits while commenting about how hot it
feels in her hands.  Its great to watch her in the mirror; and it feels
even better.  After a few minutes, she slips a condom on, gives mediocre
head, while she fondles your balls.  She won't 69.  When you're
sufficiently hard, she'll climb on top and begin fucking fast.  Unless you
have great control, expect to come fast.   If you want, she'll let you take
the condom off, and then massage her tits against your dick, letting you
come across her chest.  She won't let you spray on, or anywhere, near her
face.  Dora's sexy, but she has definite limits, and anything remotely
unsafe or unseemly is off limits; don't even ask.

- Tracy is a taller Asian women; very attractive and very popular.
Recognizing her own popularity and that more customers means more money,
she is quick.  On a busy night count on no more than twenty minutes of her
time.  And expect to pay $120 ++ for full service.

- Kaye is a less attractive Lao girl, but she'll venture into dangerous
zones.  Unlike the other girls here, she will jump into the bath with you,
and give head, sans condom.  For the right tip (more than $100), she'll let
you conclude a session by spraying her face.

- Sara is a large breasted girl from Panama.  She is friendly, and speaks
English very well.  She is a great gossip, and an even better tit fuck.
But until she knows your range, she'll take precautions to ensure that you
don't  spackle her face.

- Lucky is a beautiful Thai girl who is  sometimes available on weekends.
Gorgeous, but sometimes has a bad attitude, particularly with farangs.
Count on a quick session.

These are only a few of the demonides available.

Happy Hunting,

Randy Farang


Date: June 1996

Stay away from the Caucasian places, especially "The Green Door" at
441 Stockton and "Paris Studios" at 518 Taylor Street. Both
establishments try everything to create the impression that full
service is available, but you can't even get a hand job. And you have
to pay a lot to find that out.

Atta


Date: Mon, 25 Nov 1996 22:16:18 -0500 (EST)

You might try Visage Relaxation, in Mountain View, on Castro Street.
Generic Asian Massage Parlor.  Your review would work for this place.


Subject: Re: [ASP] Review, Silicon Valley
Date: 26 Nov 1996 21:45:53 GMT

Just tried Beautiful Spa in Milpitas.  Full service, but not too
involving.


Date: Wed, 01 Jan 1997 01:39:39 -0800

i have a couple of recent experiences that you may want to include in
your next reviews update for california. please do not use my email
address if you publish these.

around october 1996 i visited a massage parlor in san francisco. i
cannot remember the name, but it is almost directly across the street
from empire massage which has been previously reviewed. the girl's
name was candy and she was attractive enough, but personally i do
prefer the older asian women, and candy was no older than 27-28.

$40 for basic massage and candy wanted $150 for full service but she
settled for $100. the experience was satisfactory but not outstanding.
she did spread herself quite wide and encouraged me to bang her as
hard as i could, so that was a plus. i may go back.

i also tried blue sky in november of 1996 as it had received good
reviews for san francisco. my experience was unsatisfactory. i do
not remember the girl's name, but she took up way too much time on
the regular massage. she put on a great "hot to trot" act while
negotiating the fee ($120) but after she got her money, she was
passive and disinterested. lousy head, and a lousy lay. i know that
blue sky has received good reviews elsewhere. i guess it just depends
on the girl.

i am currently seeing on a regular basis a vietnamese woman that i
first met at oakland's oriental health spa. this place is now closed,
which is too bad because it was my favorite place.

this woman works under the name of tammi. she gave me her home phone
number so i now see her there. she says that she now works in san
francisco. if i can find out where, i will pass the info on.

tammi is not everyone's cup of tea. i would guess that she is 45-50 years
old and while she does have a decent body for a 50 year-old, it is
definitely not a 10. however she provides the best most enthusiastic
service i've ever had. great head without a rubber, and spreads wide to
let you fuck her hard. since i see her at her home, i pay only $100 for
full service. recently, she has been offering french kissing as well.

i would definitely recommend her to anyone looking for great sex with
an asian woman and does not care so much about looks. again, she is an
attractive 50 year-old, but if you want 20-somethings you should look
elsewhere.

i respect her too much to publish her home phone, but if i can find out
where in san francisco she currently works, i will let you know.


San Francisco California

Blue Sky.  40 tip.  no mention of extras.  boring massage. terrible
attitude.  will not return.


Date: Sat, 11 Jan 1997 05:03:08 -0800
Subject: [ASP] San Francisco

I ended this tragic trip with a trip to Fuji massage parlor.  After
being greeted by a beautiful woman at the door, I was met immediately by
another woman who led me to a back room with a mat, small table and bath
tub.  I spent a 1/2 hr. with Michelle, a very pretty young Viet woman who
gave me full service for $100 + $40 for room/massage.  She offered me
tea when I entered, told me to get undressed and ready for the shower,
and left to get the tea.  When she came back she gave me a quick wash
(not erotic at all). The massage was very mediocre, and then she asked
if I wanted anything else.  I told her full service, and she said $100.
I paid, she left, came back, then undressed and proceeded to give me a
very nice blow job (sans condom).  She started kissing my chest, slyly
put on the condom and then got on her back for me to do her missionary
style.  Although she gave the appropriate sound effects, it was clearly
unattached sex.  After asking and switching to doggie style, I noticed
that her asshole had that slightly open, 'just been fucked' look.  I
asked her if I could put it in there, but she said no.  At that time,
I noticed what I have seen with almost all Asian women - scars on her
back that had the look of healed knife marks.  Someone may know more
about this than I do, but  it looked like the mark of whatever gang or
mafia that was responsible for her being there.  This almost instantly
turned my mood sour.  I was not angry at her, but felt this humanistic
twinge that made me empathetic and realize how many of these women
suffer.  Under these circumstances, I could not cum.  She put some lotion
on her hands and tried to jerk me off, even blow me a bit more, but I
told her I wanted her to stop.  She seemed to feel self conscious, but I
told her it was ok that I hadn't cum and that it was not her fault, but
rather I was just too distracted.  I asked if she could give me another
massage, but the mamasan gave the proverbial knock on the door, and that
was it.


Date: 11 Jan 1997 12:32:45 GMT

Regarding the massage parlor, I went to Fuji first.
There were no caucasians at this time.
She quitted. All are Asians. Last September,
there was one caucasian.
I went to Sophia. One black and one caucasian
and two Latin girs. Others are Asians.

In addition, I went to International Variety.
I spent wonderful time.
This incall house was as good as Mens Club
of NY for me.
Girls don't look great but sexy and good natured.

I don't tell you any recommendations here,
because I am a Japanese and my taste might be
a little different from yours.


Subject: [ASP] SF Report
Date: Fri, 17 Jan 1997 05:52:21 -0800

Oriental Massage:

Nikki Massage (Polk/Sutter) $40 for massage plus $100 additional for
full service.

See Kay if you go to this place. She's in her late 20's and is from
Taiwan. She starts you off with a light finger massage, followed by
fucking with French kissing. The real pleasure in the Shiastu style
massage that begins after you cum. She is a very good masseuse and has
been able to get all the kinks out. Haven't tried anyone  else here and
don't think I will.

Sophia Massage (Polk/Geary) Pricing same as Nikki. Tel: 776-2900.

Mostly Asian with two hot Latin's. Ask for Amy or Sarah. Amy is
Brazilian with big tits and a hot body. She will grind you dry. Sarah is
from Panama and more petite, but has a great ass and good technique.
Located over frenchy's bookstore, it is a relaxed atmosphere where the
girls sit on sofa's lining the room generally reading or watching the
big screen TV. This place is a little seedy but you can get a good
whirlpool bath and fuck for your money.



Date: Mon, 10 Feb 1997 21:46:06 -0800
Subject: San Francisco massage parlors

I would like to correct some earlier reports about the Asian women
working in San Francisco massage.  I have had the unusual experience of
getting to know very well a woman who has worked in several of the
massage parlors in San Francisco, and is more educated and Westernized
than her peers.
	As many readers will know, most massage parlors in San Francisco
feature exclusively Asian women.  There have been misleading reports
that many of the women working at these places are very wealthy and have
nice homes in Vietnam or other parts of Asia.  While this may be true of
a few of them, it is rarely the case.  The majority of the women working
in massage parlors are from Asia (Vietnam, Korea, China, and other
countries), but that is the only accurate generalization.  Many of the
women have are not conversant in English and have suffered abusive
treatment from their Asian husbands or boyfriends.  Many of them are
drug addicts and are either users or sellers or both.  Most of them work
6 and 7 days a week shifts and work 12 to 15 hours a day.  They prefer
Asian customers because they are quick and easy while Caucasian clients
are more demanding and require more time.  There is also more danger
that they may be police.  Massage parlors in San Francisco rarely get
busted, but when they do it is because of suspected narcotic sales or
illegal immigration, and there is plenty of both at many of the parlors.
Most of the massage parlors are "protected" by Asian gangs, who extort
money from the owners and workers.  The Korean owned massage parlors
tend to be better run:  they are cleaner and the girls are on a fixed
schedule.  Two of the best Korean owned massage parlors are Sun Spa and
Golder Flower.
	You can find some beautiful women working at these establishments, but
keep in mind, they are all doing this out of severe economic need.  The
message here is try to treat them with care and respect;  most of them
have been abused in the past, and they are trapped in a system that is
very difficult to get out of.
	It is true that the more pretty and hard working women can make a
tremendous amount of money.  At Golden Flower, the average is over $500
a day which works out to $120,000 a year working just 20 days a month.
But most of the time, this money goes towards their families, or drugs.
And three or four years of screwing can ravage your body, no matter how
safe the sex is.  Makes you think twice, next time you go to a massage
parlor.


Date: 18 Feb 1997 05:33:22 GMT

Seeker: I don't know what nationality you're looking for but I've got one
hot little Vietnamese babe for you. Go to Springtime Oriental Massage in
dwntown San Francisco (451 O'Farrell St. - nearest cross street is Jones
st.). I go there on Sundays, after 1:00 pm. because Mary works then. She's
got nice, firm tits, a pretty smile, and a sweet ass. A session goes like
this: Mama-san buzzes you in, you pay the $40 door fee, she asks you if
you've "been there before" (say yes) & tell her you want to see Mary. What
you'll get is a very sexy massage. Then she'll turn you over and ask you
what you want. Expect to pay $100 for everything - blowjob, tongue bath,
french kisses, eating her pussy, the works. This is one of the best girls
I've ever visited because she really gets into the lovemaking. I can't
recommend this cutie enough. The last time I was there, she introduced me
to her co-worker, I'm going to try her, soon. Go there and tell her Eric
from San Jose sent you. All I ask is that you let me know how it went.
Have fun!


Date: Wed, 26 Feb 1997 21:02:22 -0800
Subject: massage scene in san francisco

Here is my review of various massage parlors in san francisco.

Sophia's Spa:  located on Geary Blvd. between Polk and Van Ness.  Most
of the women are from the Southeast Asia countries (Vietnam, Laos,
Thailand).  There are also two Hispanics and one Russian.
Interestingly, they also have a Black girl who speaks Vietnamese,
probably a Nam war-child.  This place is very popular because, unlike
other parlors, they will almost let anyone in, whether you're Asian,
Caucasian, Hispanic, or whatever.  I would say 1 out of 10 girls here
are worth the $140 for full service.  The accommodations are
satisfactory but you might see a cockroach crawling on the wall in some
rooms.  Like almost all other massage parlors in San Francisco, $100 to
the girl for full service and $40 to the House for the 45 to 60 minute
session.  Girls to look for:  Dora (Thai); Sarah (Hispanic); Yoko
(Vietnamese).

Mai's:  located in an alley off Grant Ave. between Bush and Sutter.
Most of the girls here are Korean with some Chinese and one Russian.
This is one of the better places in San Francisco.  Unlike the
Vietnamese places, almost all the girls here are attractive and some
make you practically cum just by walking around in their tight fitting
outfits.  Nice, clean accommodations.  Girls to look for:  Tina (Korean)
and just about anyone else.

Apple:  located on Mason between Ellis and Eddy, across the street from
Chez Pairee strip club.  This place is practically all Korean, but they
tend to be younger than Korean girls at other places.  Very clean and
comfortable place.  Girls to look for:  Jenny, and Angie.

Suk Hee:  located on Broadway off Kearny.  This place used to be the
most popular place with the best girls from all over (Korean, Chinese,
Southeast), but due to recent local and federal law enforcement busts,
and gang-related shootings inside, its popularity has decreased
dramatically.  As a result, many of the attractive sex-kittens have left
the City or moved to other parlors.  Girls to look for:  Bebe (Chinese)

Lee's:  On Mission between 8th and 9th Streets.  The newest decadent
hot- bed in town.  Koreans and Thai chicks.  The Thai chicks here are
hot, but the Koreans look like rejects from other places.  Comfortable
and clean accommodations.


Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 01:20:03 -0700
Subject: San Francisco

Please keep my name confidential.

I have been to the Apple Massage in the Union Square area twice.  The
spa is in the rear side of the hotel that used to be the Niko, and is
about one block from the cable car turnaround.  This place is pretty
much like the others mentioned.  You are buzzed in and greeted by a
hostess, who makes you sign a clipboard and leads you to a room.  Most
of the girls seem to be in the bak, and they really do not seem to want
you top pick out your girl.  The hostess takes the house fee of $40.00
for a half hour.  Your girl comes in and introduces herself and then you
take a shower and return to your room and lie down on the table nude.
The girl comes in and gives you either a pretty decent massage, and asks
you what you want.  You negotiate for a price.  Blowjobs seem to range
from 60 to 90 dollars, with full service for 120 dollars.  All the girls
are attractive asians.  The first time I weant I had a very attrative
asian who really took her time but would not remove her bra (much to my
chagrin).  The second girl wanted to hurrry through the head, and I left
thinking that it was not as good an experience, even though I got some
feels of her great tits.  If you are staying in the area, the place is
convenient and in a generally safe area.

Enjoy.


Subject: ASP SF Bay Area Review
Date: 28 May 1997 20:45:28 GMT

Here are some of my reviews of the local produce.

Drew.  Advertises in the SF Weekly.  Paged her and she responded back
promptly.  Describes herself as a natural blond with 34C 22 35 and 27
years old.
She was scheduled to arrive at 11AM and at 11:15 called saying she was
running late.  I was considering skipping the appointment, but she said I
could shoot twice which changed my mind.  When I picked her up at Bart I
saw her from behind at first.  From behind she was a 9.5.  From the front
I would say she was an 8, face was not as nice as her ass and the 34C was
probably a 32B.
I gave her the $200 and we got started.   We both undressed and french
kissed to get started.  She then rolled a condom on and proceeded to start
to suck.  I played with her pussy which was getting quite wet.  When I was
close to cumming I suggested we change postitions so I could taste her.  I
tried to suck her nipples, but she protested and was not very enthusiastic
when I went down on her. After a few minutes I got on top and fucked till
I came.  She was into it a bit more.
After this we talked for a few and then she suggested I tip her to do it a
second time.  I gave her a look suggesting that wasn't part of the deal
and she "remembered" she promised since she kept me waiting an hour.
Since I sensed she was looking to leave soon I figured it was time to get
round 2 going. I tried sucking her nipples again and she was a little more
responsive, but she kept complaing it tickled.  I then made my way back to
her pussy which was definitely wetter than before.  At first she seemed
like she was tolerating it because it was her job, but after a few minutes
I heard a little groan and looked up.  She seemed to finanlly be enjoying
it.  I kept at it and soon she put her hand on my head to push my mouth
into her pussy.  I noticed she responded when I stuck my tongue deep into
her pussy.  Her hips started to move and I was able to taste her getting
excited.  Finally her whole body contracted and she let out a loud moan.
Definitely a real orgasm.  She then quickly wanted me to do her from
behind which I happily abliged.  After cumming we laid in bed together,
but she has this strange look on her face.  I asked what was wrong and she
said she was embarressed. I asked why and she said she never has an orgasm
while working.  Overall I would rate an 8 and would see again

Normandy Massage in Shattuck Ave in Berkeley

Been there 3 times $35 for massage,$120service for full .  First time I
saw an attractive blond 34C-, 24- 36 and third time a Japanese woman
34C-24-34.  Second time only a black girl was available (not my
style).Both times I stayed I got good service and will go back.( 8 looks
and 7 service) Other girls I saw were not up to par, but it didn't matter
4's and 5's and I would go back

Alouette Massage-University Ave in Berkeley

Went in once and left immediately.  Both women were butt ugly.



Date: Sat, 21 Jun 1997 21:19:10 -0700
Subject: San Francisco Incall Places

Massage Parlor report:  Golden Flower in San Francisco is located in an
area known as South of Market which borders the financial district.
This is a much better location than most massage parlors. It is Korean
owned and impeccably clean and comfortable.  I visited it early on a
Saturday night and saw at least five attractive Asian women.  They do
not let you choose here, but it is hard to go wrong.  The girl I got was
from Hong Kong with a beautiful face and great legs.  Her English was
passable, although she had a very friendly personality.  Okay massage,
great oral sex, and pretty good sex.  The rates are $40 for a half hour
and $60 for a full hour, plus $120 for full service.  They have a steam
sauna also.  This place gets a lot of business from the financial
district in the daytime and is very popular with Asian men at night.
Definitely worth the visit.


Subject: {ASP} Review Nikko S.F.
Date: Sat, 05 Jul 1997 10:39:28 -0500

I have just spent some time at Nikko Massage in San Francisco. It's
located at 1172 Sutter close to downtown. A girl attended me named Mai.
It was the usual $40 door fee and full service in available for $100. I
would not recommend this girl. She is very unimaginative and very "by
the book".


Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 10:51:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: SF Massage Spa

Just visited Sophie's Massage Spa near the O'Farrell theater.  Went on a
weekday afternoon to avoid the rush. I was fortunate enough to be greated by
a gorgeous, Latin lady. She took me to the room and gave me a really nice
bath. We got more comfortable on the bed, where she gave me a wonderful
massage, beginning with my back side, before moving to the front side. As she
did the front side, her long flowing hair would brush my member, which of
course, brought him to attention. She was happy to see that. She disrobed and
allowed me to massage her for awhile. She would allow me to kiss and suck her
big breast (38C), finger her cunt, but not go down on her. We then moved our
foreplay into the real action. She started giving me a BJ, then rode me
awhile, and we concluded our rendevous doggie style. It was a great day.  She
was very compassionate, liked to visit, was not in a hurry, very playful, and
had a very nice body that was enjoyable to explore.
We enjoyed a full hour for only $100.  I certainly would return. Rooms are
clean, mirrored and softly lit.


Date: Wed, 16 Jul 1997 18:51:19 -0700
Subject: San Francisco


Massage Parlors in San Francisco:
Golden Flower is located very close to the financial district in San
Francisco where it is very easy to park at night.  This Korean owned
business is impeccably clean and quite large.  It features large,
comfortable rooms with beds and showers and a separate sauna.  Most of
the girls I saw were very attractive.  You do not get to choose here,
unless you are a repeat customer.  My masseuse was Linda, a gorgeous
Chinese girl from Hong Kong.  She has a beautiful face, great legs and
is very slender.  She gives a mediocre massage, but her oral talents
make up for that.  She positions herself so you can see exactly what she
is doing in a mirror right next to the bed.  The sex part was just okay.
She moans a lot and acts like she is into it, but it is a little bit too
fake.  Overall, I highly recommend Golden Flower.  Price:  not cheap by
massage parlor standards:  $60 for the room and sauna for an hour, and
Linda asked for $120 for full service which really only lasted about 25
minutes.  I have heard that most Asian clients only pay $80 for full
service, although they go in and out much quicker.  Try bargaining
harder than me.

Incall House in San Francisco:  Heaven is near the Haight Ashbury and is
the most luxurious incall place I have ever been to.  It is a remodeled
Victorian with four bedrooms and two ultra modern baths.  I was shown
five pretty ladies, one by one, and at least three of them were very
attractive.  Jennifer is a cute blonde with a great body.  Donna is a
very pretty Asian woman, and Kayla is a knockout black woman. I chose
Kayla because she seemed the friendliest and I was not dissapointed.
You get the whole works with her and she is a nice person also.  She
does French kissing, and also offers anal which I am not into.  The
kissing part was sensational and she is also gives a great blowjob.
Definitely worth the $200 for a full hour.

Moonlight Spa on Bush street is another massage parlor very close to the
financial district and right next a large parking garage.  This place
has been remodeled recently and is very clean.  The big plus about this
place is that you can choose your masseuse and they have a great room
with a jacuzzi.  On a Friday or Saturday night, there are two or three
nice looking women to choose from.  Both times I was there I chose a
very petite Vietnamese woman named Kim.  She was great because she
really takes her time and gives a wonderful slow and sensual massage.
Her oral sex is just okay and intercourse is about average, but she is
worth the visit if you like a long massage and much personal treatment.
The girls are all very friendly and they act like they really appreciate
your business.


Subject: [ASP] SF BlueSky Report
Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 13:23:22 -0700

I Visited Blue Sky massage (738 Larkin) last night and thought I'd
report on Kim, an extremely cute Thai girl.  She stands about 5'3",
115lbs, about 28ish, and has implants that place her in the 34C range.

Prior to selecting her, several Viet. girls were brought out... I
rejected each since none was above a 6, and seemed quite haggish.

Here's the basics:

Gave her $40
Took a shower solo while she was out of the room
Got a 5 minute massage
Paid her $60 more
Waited 5 minutes while she conferred w/ mamasan
Began the real session...

I should mention that speaking a few words of Thai can really go a long
way.  Since I had been to Thailand a few times, the small talk seemed to
really improve the attitude.  She assumed girlfriend-mode, at least for
the next hour.  We began with major kissing and body exploring.  She was
got very excited, and it proved genuine as I slipped my fingers in her
dripping pussy.  She blew me for about 2 minutes bare-back... very nice,
nothing spectacular.  She did take the whole thing in, which has proved
to be a feat for some.  Then, as she brought me on top of her, I thought
she wanted me to penetrate bare-backed.  I thought to myself.... this
chick is C-R-A-Z-Y!  And, as I prepared to halt her and put the sock on,
I looked down and thrwapp!, it was ON.  Talk about technique!  I never
even saw that friggin' thing coming!  Anyway, we did missionary and
doggy.  She feigned coming while in the first position (I have to assume
that unless I feel the convulsions).

Of note... she was very tight, almost uncomfortably so.  But, it made
for coming in about 15 minutes... earlier than usual.

I'd recommend her, especially if you like Thai girls.


Date: Mon, 21 Jul 1997 19:18:08 -0700
Subject: San Francisco Massage Parlors

San Francisco Massage Parlor review:  Lee's Massage on Mission street
near 9th has recently remodeled.  It is extremely clean inside and on a
Saturday night I saw 8 Asian women dressed in short skirts waiting for
customers.  At least 6 of the 8 were gorgeous.  The sign outside the
door says membership required, but that is not true.  Just say you have
been there before and they will let you in.  The room fee is $40 and
full service is $120.  The girl will negotiate with you, and you
probably could bargain her down to $100.  Anyway, the girl I had was
about a 9 on a one to ten scale.  Great legs, nice medium sized breasts,
pretty face, and almost slender.  She took her time, and gave an
excellent blowjob.  Fucking was okay.  This is a great place to go for a
big selection of pretty Asian women in a modern and clean environment.


Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2097 07:13:36 -0400

San Francisco, CA
	Golden Gate Spa on Mission.  Hot tub + Full service around $150.



Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:06:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Report from SF trip

I just returned from a pleasure trip to beautiful San Francisco and must tell
you your guide is most informative and helpful, thank you! Now for my report:

From numerous report I thought I might try Sophies first, due to the timing
around noon on a Thursday to pickings were very thin, I say two girls there
may have been some busy. At the top of the stairs you will pay your $40 entry
fee and be let in upon being greeted by the next available hostess, I was not
real thrilled with her, older, a bit worn and really not that attractive,
said I'd like to see who else is available. Enter a attractive young, a mix
of black and vietnamese lady around 20 years old. I thought well if this is
it, I'd already paid my $40 so lets go. The routine shower, by myself and she
later comes in and starts the massage, rising to the occasion she asks if
there is anything else I'd like, we discuss and the $100 tip is set, thought
she will try to charm you out of additional. She was alittle to heavy for my
liking and not that great a body once disrobed. Sex was good but not great.

Thailand Spa: just a block and a half off Broadway near Chinatown. I had been
there about four years before and the place had been remodeled and is much
nicer and very clean. Downstair after your buzzed in. Met by a beautiful
asian lady named Cindy, tall, beautiful set of tits and very nice. Didn't
need to ask for another, was very happy with this one. The basic $40 massage
fee and then shower, again by myself, and she returns and begins the massage.
Again the basic $100 , I tend to go ahead with the $100 offer and not haggle
much, it is always taken and I think they apprecaite the no hassle thing. I
must tell you this lady was terrific at what she does, first a very exciting
and stimulating masasge and while giving head put her sweet smelling pussy
right in my face so what could I do, you know. We tried several different
position resulting in a terrific climax (added extra $20 tip) and a very
satisfied customer, wish I'd gone there first. As I was leaving I saw another
very beautiful asian lady leading a customer into a room. If I'd had another
day I'd have gone back to see her. Best place I've been to yet in SF. You
won't be disappointed. I can't wait to return.


Date: Sun, 05 Oct 1997 14:13:47 -0700
Subject: massage

Hi Atta. Here's a review of Face to Face massage, located in San
Francisco, CA. Please keep me anonymous. OK, so Face to Face is on the
web, at www.lovings.com site. There are some photos of some rather
pretty females. I was quoted 140 dollars over the phone for a one hour
massage. A couple of minor strikes I must mention. The woman I spoke
with on the phone said there would be three woman to choose from for my
massage. When I arrived, only two woman were available. I chose to pay
by credit card and was billed 145 dollars. Where did the extra five
bucks come from? I decided to let it slide. The thing that really gets
me about a massage service is that the clock starts ticking as soon you
enter. I mean you can't get an actual one hour massage. I've never even
had a one hour massage. It always ends at about the 45 minute mark. I
don't like it, but I think all massage parlors work this way, if not,
please let me know otherwise. In any event, I selected Danielle. She was
very thin, tall, small tits, round, firm ass, white soft skin, and
generally about a 6 on the 1 - 10 scale. She started off with oil and
massaged my back, then down my legs and feet and toes back up to arms
and hands. She played with my testes. She got on top of me and laid
herself upon me, gently kissing me from behind. I was aroused. About 20
minutes later, she asked me to turn over. She then poured oil on my cock
and began to massage it. She got into a 69 position and I did my best to
suck her pussy through the g-string she wore. I had fun. She then let me
kiss and suck her tits, which I did with total abandon. She let me suck
to my heart's content. She also sucked my cock a few times (sans
condom).  She brought me to the brink of eruption several times. I then
laid on by back. She got on top  and grabbed my cock from behind and
made me feel like I was penetrating her. I came in about one minute. She
brought me a towel and asked if I wanted to take a shower. I did. By the
time I got back in the room, she came back and we chatted a little bit.
I think she liked me. And I liked her.  There are definitely prettier
girls than her, but I liked her vibes. I appreciated that I wasn't
rushed to leave or anything, but again, would like to know where can one
find a masseuse or parlor where you actually get a one hour massage?
I'd say Face to Face is pretty good, not excellent, but not bad. I'd say
it's middle of the road. Don't know if there is better. But for what it
is, it works. Enjoy.


Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 11:45:01 +0000
Subject: info and ? ? re. Golden Gypsy, Normandy, Alouette - services for women

	I've noticed your site is sadly lacking information for women seeking
women prostitutes, so I've been doing my own research. Any additional
information is welcomed!
	I called Golden Gypsy, Normandy, and Alouette, asking, "Do you have
anyone who specializes in massage for women?"
	One woman I spoke with at Golden Gypsy said no; when I called later and
spoke with a different woman she said yes, and told me a man's name.
When I told her I didn't want a man, and asked if she had any women
available, she said yes, she did. She suggested I make an appointment
any day of the week two or more hours in advance.
	Alouette said yes immediately, and told me no appointment necessary.
	Normandy said no. I called twice, spoke with two different women, and
they both said no, and did not refer me to anywhere else when I asked
for a referral.
	I've not yet visited any of these places, but did drive by. Alouette
is located in a grungy part of Berkeley, and looks run-down from the
outside, but inside may be a different story.
	Normandy is slightly less grungy-looking from the outside, and is in a
slightly less grungy part of Berkeley.
	Golden Gypsy looked inviting from the outside, and is located in a
cleaner-looking area than the other two, although I would guess Normandy
is in the safest area (I'm not sure).

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